episode reaction : tell me how you feel.

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After you have watched-along at our flawless affy comms (give some love to ontd_asoiaf and game_thrones!), come share your thoughts about Renly and/or Loras scenes and developments in this episode:

~1x07 You Win or You Die~



I will go first (because I have no willpower and I have already seen it last week)!

Gethin was amazing, all Renly's insecurities and convictions were all over his face. I was so PROUD of Renly's speech to Ned. He started out really nervous but then he went from zero to hero. "Stannis is not a king. I AM. Do you still believe good soldiers make good kings?" (finally, Loras' subliminal suggestions pay off!) YOU GO RENLY COCO. I'M PROUD OF YOU. LORAS IS PROUD OF YOU. EVEN LITTLEFINGER IS PROBABLY PROUD OF YOU SOMEWHERE AS HE PINES FOR NED'S WIFE WHILE DIRECTING A PORN MOVIE.

Sans Ned bashing (I love my Starks!), his dismissal of Renly was one of his biggest tactical mistakes. Clearly, the hands-on war experience doesn't live up to its hype when it comes to battles of another kind. All he did was to eyeroll as if Renly was a child speaking out of turn. THWARTED BY DOUBLE STANDARDS AGAIN, NED. If this were an episode of Survivor, you would have already been voted off the island!

MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHERE THE HELL IS LORAS? Gathering the rainbow posse? Sending ravens to Papa Tyrell? Recovering from the reunion sex? DISCUSS.

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Comments

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I can't wait for Stannis either - whether I like him or not (which I don't, cos of what did to Renly), he is still a BAMF. A very interesting character, and I can't wait to see what they do with him. Christopher Eccleston would be a very good choice. And yes, I was and still am Team Renly for King. Loras was right: he was the best of them.

Exactly. People complaining about the sucking sounds are just complaining to complain. I was disappointed it wasn't MORE explicit lol - but I guess that would have given some viewers heart attacks.

You could practically see Loras's words coming out of Renly's mouth in that scene, it was so sweet. I will die a bit inside when IT happens *nudge nudge wink wink* - altho I want to see Loras's reaction more than anything.

I STAN. RENLY IS A FLAWLESS SASSY GAY FRIEND. Sorry, this turned into an essay XD

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Oh no THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO ME. I. can't. shut. up. about Renly and Loras. And to think that for the last few months I've been whining that I can't get excited about fandom anymore. FAMOUS LAST WORDS.

Haha, my straight male viewer had a heart attack at the sound effects but it's not like he couldn't get over it five seconds later. Welcome to HBO, you know. Wear a seatbelt if you live a sheltered life.

I have been super intrigued by how Loras got his lobster impression of Stannis - and you know from Stannis' words that he knows which Tyrell sibling Renly really married - and so in my elaborate and delusional headcanon, they've met pre-series. Renly trolled, Loras snarked and flipped his flippy hair, and Stannis judged, while Robert whored, obliviously. Some uncomfortable Baratheon family dinner or three there, probably.

You can tell that the show loves Renly as he is a perfect way to update the themes - I think he has the majority of new-to-us scenes, so the second season is OURS. And that tourney where we meet Brienne, SO MUCH LORAS TIME AHEAD :)) We neeeeeeed to get a kiss, too :)

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LMAO I cannot contain my excitement about them either. But every time I try to flail, my friends are like, WTF are you talking about lol.

'Renly trolled, Loras snarked and flipped his flippy hair, and Stannis judged, while Robert whored, obliviously.' - AHAHAHA. This would be beautiful. There needs to be fic of this. I do wonder what Stannis and Loras would have made of each other.

I can't wait for Loras to be a flawless BAMF in series 2, even if he does lose in the tourney. Renly must console him with many kisses. Maybe we'll get a love scene for the night they 'pray' together, and that way the death will be even more profound. Even when I read bits about Loras in the books after, I always feel so sorry for him, because he's obviously still affected by it - joining the KG, being celibate, burying Renly himself etc...

I NEED TO START WARNING ***FOR BOOK SPOILERS***

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Oh I know! I have next to zero interest from my flist towards the show, forget about Renly and Westeros political factions. Or Loras and the fine points of being a prettier but not necessarily a weaker half of a powercouple. I flail and everyone gives me an OKAY THEN look. Good thing I discovered the friending memes :))

SOMEONE WRITE FIC OF ANY KIND, PLEASE. (I'm planning a rec post here!) I am looking forward to writing some later, during the hiatus. With plot, hopefully, but it will probably ALL descend into pages of porn until I porn it out of my system.

Bah, Loras has won enough tourneys and blue ribbons as it is and he isn't a sore loser. In the end he is Renly's champion and I bet he wouldn't have it any other way. FLUFFY COMFORT SEX, LE SIGH. They better give us some amazing romantic scene before Renly is gone. I WANT CANDLES AND PET NAMES, BELLS AND WHISTLES, THE WHOLE THING.

Our poor Loras, and the way the Lannisters used his grief. I was just re-reading the chapter where they are rubbing their hands about how they could ally with the Tyrells now because Loras would want vengeance. All his life has always been told, very matter-of-factly, by people who don't care about him. This is why we want fic, you know? Where the narrator GIVES A DAMN. And I hope that the rumors of Loras getting POV in the next book are true.

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There so needs to be more fic. I was surprised that there isn't very much :( But now people are watching the show I'm sure the fandom will expand. I'm thinking of writing some as well XD

We better get a romantic scene before Renly's untimely end, or I will cut a bitch :P It would be tragic goodbye sex.

Urgh, the Lannisters. When they were all plotting over Loras's grief I was just like, back the hell off my poor bb! He's still a kid, and I think that's why I love him so much, even in the books - he does act like a little brat sometimes (aka with Jaime) but he lost the love of his life. And now he might be burnt, I hate myself for saying it, but maybe he should just be killed off to end his suffering. I don't want to read about him angsting for the next three books - my heart will not be able to take it. )':

But yeah, I heard he may be a POV too! That would be great to finally get some insight to what's going on in his pretty little head. He deserves some attention, he's been in the background for way too long.

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You know GRRM's stance on it... I respectfully disagree with him and especially, in the current context of HBO revamping his characters (like Renly or Drogo) or introducing an OFC like Roz. We've crossed into the no man's land here and my perception of things is colored by the show, not by the subtext of his books. SO, LET'S FIC AWAY.

I"m sure that Loras' pretty head is smart, too. He's always been ambitious without being a jerk about it. Gah, from what I've read on wiki, it is time for Loras to either move on or move out, so to speak. There is no need to take away the torch away from him but the grieving process involves healing, too, and moving on and dating other people.

So it IS true that Cersei hears that he has been disfigured by the burning oil? SANSA AND I WOULD NEED THERAPY AND WE WILL SEND GRRM THE BILLS. Unless the book addresses how someone who used to rely on his looks all his life would deal with it. HINT FOR A SATISFACTORY ENDING: SOMEONE WOULD LOVE HIM ANYWAY.

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I don't know why he has an issue with it, it's just people trying to fill in gaps he may have missed in the books. Like the 'praying' scene ;)

Yeah, that's why I love both Loras and Renly. They both look after their own interests, but neither of them are cruel or unnecessarily evil, which is rare in Kingslanding.

I don't think he can date other people now that's he's joined the KG - they require celibacy. So I'm thinking he probably will be killed, maybe as soon as the next book, if his wounds are severe enough :( I think there's going to be a Tyrell death soon, regardless. All of them have survived so far, so I'm fearing for poor Loras. GGRM likes to kick people when they're down. :/

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Oh you make me worrrrrrrrry here.

Not that I am only here for R/L, my favorite book characters have always been Jon and Dany, so I will have a reason to stick around but urgh, don't kick me when I'm as down about Loras as it is. My pipe dream is - don't laugh, I know it's pathetic - Loras and Sansa storylines would merge and I want to see them both deal with the loss of Loras' looks. He has always been Sansa's fantasy, she always goes on and on about her fantasies about running her hands under his shirt and whatnot, so I would love to see that explored. Like is beauty really skin deep. I really don't think it's going to happen tho :/

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SORRY. I'm probably being paranoid! GGRM tends to kill off people I like so I get nerves for Loras, who's in the snake pit, as it were.

But that would be such a good idea actually. I love her describing him, because it's almost exactly what I'd be thinking if he touched/looked at me, LOL - because I'm obviously still a 13 year old girl at heart. That would be a good way to advance her character though - especially as she has to deal with her marriage to Tyrion.