the teaches of peaches : conspiracy theory

[bond-girl.livejournal.com]

While you're pacing in front of your TV in wait for the finale, LET'S TALK ABOUT FRUIT. The one that is relevant to our interests.

What do you think Renly's peach means? Does it come back to haunt us? Absolutely all opinions are welcome.



I was so baffled by this scene in the book! Is there more to it than Renly shamelessly taunting Stannis with the power of Highgarden behind him?

Somehow, I don't feel it was a non-subtle GRRM way to flaunt his sexuality in a 'haha that Renly is a fruit' way. Totally another genre and it would clash with the mood of the scene, in my opinion. Both Stannis and I are confused, and the fact that Stannis keeps coming back to it, this tickles my conspiracy theory radar. Unless it's just a way to show that even a lobster can feel remorse. Idk, will Stannis be killed by a well-thrown giant peach, choked by his afternoon sangria, move to Georgia? Or is there a symbolism that escapes me?

(I am on the third book, fwiw.)


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[here-for-icons.livejournal.com]

LORAS'S ASS.

BOOK SPOILERS

[lcacbc.livejournal.com]

I really hope there's an explanation somewhere, cos it seemed so random when I read it. I was like, OH RENLY. XD

IF HE COMES BACK, I WILL DIE OF HAPPINESS. Altho if Renly comes back and Loras dies (considering he's injured) I will cut a bitch. That would just be cruel. But I can see GRRM doing it <_<

Book Spoilers

[gingaktb.livejournal.com]

I kind of see it as a sort of "Telltale Heart." That Stannis really DOES feel bad that his brother is dead. That's how I read his conversation with Davos in CoK.

I have a feeling if he does end up coming back somehow, it will end up being like Dondarrion and Catelyn. The Lord of Light religion thing is really vague at times. That and I really need to reread SoS.

[here-for-icons.livejournal.com]

Renly's dead and buried in some hidden place by Loras (OMFG I HOPE THEY SHOW THIS SCENE, I WILL CRY FOREVER). So even if he came back to life he'd be... stuck in the ground. D: And idk how I'd feel if he becomes like Cat with his throat half opened, can't talk, blood spilling everywhere etc. etc.

WHATEVS. LOGIC IS NOT NEEDED HERE. COME BACK TO US RENLY BB, COME BACK.

[alexandral.livejournal.com]

I thought that in the original exchange Renly meant what he said after he eat the peach : "A man should never refuse to taste a peach, Renly said as he tossed the stone away. He may never get the chance again. Life is short, Stannis. Remember what the Starks say. Winter is coming" . Renly loves life and lives it to the full. He wants Stannis to relax a bit and start enjoying the life too! Also it is a foreboding of Renly's fate.

Later, Stannis remembers the conversation, but he forgot what Renly ment by it (and may be never got it? even though Renly said it as directly as you can? sometimes we do not hear things that are said out loud..), at the same time he remembers that there was something .. important.


But I guess that Martin did include this as Renly/Loras metaphora as well, of course! So this is multi-layered.

PS; There was also a brothel called The Peach (where genry and Arya stayed)

[linndechir.livejournal.com]

I'm so late to this ... I didn't think too much about the peach in that scene, I really just thought it was just Renly taunting Stannis, and, yeah, I guess the peach kinda stands for Highgarden. If it has a further meaning, I really wouldn't know what. I just understood it as a further symbol that Renly was, as Catelyn said, a knight of the summer, who still thought the war was more of a game, nothing to be taken too seriously.

As for Renly coming back ... I want him to come back so he and Stannis can do what they should have done when they met, team up and go BARATHEON BROS BERSERK on the rest of Westeros. I'd love for Renly to come back on way or another and join Team Stannis because he realised that they just hurt themselves and help their enemies if they don't work together. But that's just me loving both Renly and Stannis too much and wanting them to get together and kick everyone's arse. ;) But GRRM being GRRM, I doubt that's going to happen. Also, I'm not sure I want Renly back if he's as much a zombie as Dondarrion and Catelyn.

[vitraux.livejournal.com]

This theory might be pretty far-fetched, but have you ever heard of fen tao zhi ai (the love of a shared peach) aka manlove? There's this story of a Chinese court official, who bit a peach and found it sweet, so he offered the rest to his lover, the emperor/duke.

Does this mean that Renly is telling his brother to try it, he might like it? Because the shared peach is a symbol of homosexual love, I think.

/rambling soothsayer

[(Anonymous)]

When I read that part of the book, I basically saw it as Renly taunting Stannis and implying that Stannis should enjoy the sweeter things in life such as eating a peach instead of being so cold and impersonal all the time. I may be wrong though. It would be mind-blowing if Martin made that peach a Chekhov's gun and haunt the plot in the end.