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loras_renlyWhile you're pacing in front of your TV in wait for the finale, LET'S TALK ABOUT FRUIT. The one that is relevant to our interests.
What do you think Renly's peach means? Does it come back to haunt us? Absolutely all opinions are welcome.
I was so baffled by this scene in the book! Is there more to it than Renly shamelessly taunting Stannis with the power of Highgarden behind him?
Somehow, I don't feel it was a non-subtle GRRM way to flaunt his sexuality in a 'haha that Renly is a fruit' way. Totally another genre and it would clash with the mood of the scene, in my opinion. Both Stannis and I are confused, and the fact that Stannis keeps coming back to it, this tickles my conspiracy theory radar. Unless it's just a way to show that even a lobster can feel remorse. Idk, will Stannis be killed by a well-thrown giant peach, choked by his afternoon sangria, move to Georgia? Or is there a symbolism that escapes me?
(I am on the third book, fwiw.)
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What do you think Renly's peach means? Does it come back to haunt us? Absolutely all opinions are welcome.
I was so baffled by this scene in the book! Is there more to it than Renly shamelessly taunting Stannis with the power of Highgarden behind him?
Somehow, I don't feel it was a non-subtle GRRM way to flaunt his sexuality in a 'haha that Renly is a fruit' way. Totally another genre and it would clash with the mood of the scene, in my opinion. Both Stannis and I are confused, and the fact that Stannis keeps coming back to it, this tickles my conspiracy theory radar. Unless it's just a way to show that even a lobster can feel remorse. Idk, will Stannis be killed by a well-thrown giant peach, choked by his afternoon sangria, move to Georgia? Or is there a symbolism that escapes me?
(I am on the third book, fwiw.)
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Date: 2011-06-19 11:37 pm (UTC)GRRM did say that there will be comebacks in the fifth book. I assumed it would be minor characters but who knows, he's a bag of tricks.
This raises another question: did Loras put on Renly's armor during the battle of King's Landing in the second book? Because so many people saw Renly on the battlefield. Or was it indeed Renly's ghost? I have been hoping to find an answer in the third book but I have been too effing busy to be online or to read lately.
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Date: 2011-06-19 11:47 pm (UTC)In fact, the better answer to the question in your comm is again, I want a spin-off with all the characters GRRM bumped off.
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:05 am (UTC)BOOK SPOILERS
Date: 2011-06-19 11:58 pm (UTC)IF HE COMES BACK, I WILL DIE OF HAPPINESS. Altho if Renly comes back and Loras dies (considering he's injured) I will cut a bitch. That would just be cruel. But I can see GRRM doing it <_<
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:03 am (UTC)Remember you were all sadfaced because you finished reading the books? I'M GETTING THERE FAST. HOLD MEEEEEEEE.
My plan for July 12th: buy the kindle edition. Search on "Loras" before doing anything else. I am so not going to walk into this blind. *clings to things*
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:12 am (UTC)*HOLDS* I am both excited and scared beyond belief to get the next book. If he kills Loras...
Except not really, cos I have to see how it ends. But still, why does he always off my favs?! :/
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:19 am (UTC)I quit reading after he killed Ned because I was just shocked, and then I picked up but I was still burned and I put the books away until the show dragged me back. I'm sure I won't stop reading because I still have Jon, Dany, Tyrion and maybe Sansa to root for.
But killing Loras who by now lost EVERYTHING that had meaning to him (Renly, his mad fighting skills and his looks) is like drowning a puppy. Think about it: if GRRM wanted Loras dead, he would have killed him off instead of just wounding and disfiguring. I sense a plotline, bb.
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:25 am (UTC)Re: BOOK SPOILERS
Date: 2011-06-20 12:27 am (UTC)I'm planning to set up a read-along post ehre where this is the first thing I'm going to tell everyone in the biggest font that livejournal can handle lol. Under the cut, obv.
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:47 am (UTC)I'm very good at that!
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:54 am (UTC)Re: BOOK SPOILERS
Date: 2011-06-20 12:22 am (UTC)~tinhatter
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:31 am (UTC)Re: BOOK SPOILERS
Date: 2011-06-20 12:39 am (UTC)sorry, the original pic was so massive...
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:50 am (UTC)LOVE TUMBLR THO. I would never leave LJ for it because I find the quality of communication is much better when people actually talk to each other. However, pretty shiny pics are pretty and shiny.
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:14 am (UTC)I have a feeling if he does end up coming back somehow, it will end up being like Dondarrion and Catelyn. The Lord of Light religion thing is really vague at times. That and I really need to reread SoS.
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Date: 2011-06-20 12:24 am (UTC)Maybe it IS just a fruit.
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Date: 2011-06-20 01:02 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-20 03:40 am (UTC)WHATEVS. LOGIC IS NOT NEEDED HERE. COME BACK TO US RENLY BB, COME BACK.
OH SHIT BOOK SPOILERS IN PREVIOUS COMMENT
Date: 2011-06-20 07:44 am (UTC)Re: OH SHIT BOOK SPOILERS IN PREVIOUS COMMENT
Date: 2011-06-20 11:59 am (UTC)You're right, I wouldn't want Renly to come back as That Thing. Esp. after being reminded by the yesterday's finale that this isn't life. I WANT HIM TO COME BACK WITH ALL HIS MOVING BITS AND SNARK INTACT. LOGIC SCHMOGIC :))
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Date: 2011-06-20 11:49 am (UTC)Later, Stannis remembers the conversation, but he forgot what Renly ment by it (and may be never got it? even though Renly said it as directly as you can? sometimes we do not hear things that are said out loud..), at the same time he remembers that there was something .. important.
But I guess that Martin did include this as Renly/Loras metaphora as well, of course! So this is multi-layered.
PS; There was also a brothel called The Peach (where genry and Arya stayed)
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Date: 2011-06-21 10:11 pm (UTC)Wouldn't it be neat though if a peach came back to haunt Stannis? In fic and in lit, one of my favorite tricks is when things come back full circle.
Oh god, Gendry in a brothel? Must. read. faster. It's an interesting setting, considering how he came about.
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Date: 2011-06-21 10:15 pm (UTC)I do think Renly is dead for good, though. I am sorry!
Oh god, Gendry in a brothel?
He wasn't really in a brothel. :D They stayed because they had nowhere to stay, Arya is all "Let's stay here!!!" and Gendry "Are you sure". I ship them in the show, I always imagined Genry uglier in the book.
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Date: 2011-06-21 10:28 pm (UTC)Also, how about Gendry/Joff? I am probably the only person who would ship that but it's duh!awesome to me and full of irony.
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Date: 2011-06-21 10:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-06-26 01:31 pm (UTC)As for Renly coming back ... I want him to come back so he and Stannis can do what they should have done when they met, team up and go BARATHEON BROS BERSERK on the rest of Westeros. I'd love for Renly to come back on way or another and join Team Stannis because he realised that they just hurt themselves and help their enemies if they don't work together. But that's just me loving both Renly and Stannis too much and wanting them to get together and kick everyone's arse. ;) But GRRM being GRRM, I doubt that's going to happen. Also, I'm not sure I want Renly back if he's as much a zombie as Dondarrion and Catelyn.
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Date: 2011-07-07 02:17 pm (UTC)Does this mean that Renly is telling his brother to try it, he might like it? Because the shared peach is a symbol of homosexual love, I think.
/rambling soothsayer
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